Without giving away the story, what can you tell us about Super-Enigmatix?
The comic I'm serializing on the internet is called
SUPER-ENIGMATIX. It's a 100 (plus) page story which will be included (as
the main story) in the book IN A GLASS GROTESQUELY, which will be published by
Fantagraphics Books and released sometime this Fall. You can read it in
webcomics format here.
You mentioned Super-Enigmatix was inspired by a variety
of classic villains from the pulps and cliffhanger serials. This stuff is dear
to me too, and I'd love to hear how you might describe these various
sources of inspiration. Let's turn readers on to some of our faves! Are we
talking about stories like Fantomas, Nuit Rouges, and Mabuse?
Yes- all of those- as well as Judex, Diabolik, Fu Manchu,
not to mention Ming The Merciless from Flash Gordon or Professor Moriarty, and
even Satanik (that crazy fumetti villain!). Basically it's the result of
a lifetime of reading books or watching movies which had really memorable and
interesting villains. The crazier and more over-the-top the better. I have a weakness for masked or disguised villains, like those in the old
serials (The Crimson Ghost, etc) or in The Shadow or The Spider pulps. Jack Kirby's Doctor Doom has to get a special mention as one of the greatest of
them all.
You also mentioned James Bond villains. What are some of
the elements you are working with that relate to the
Bond mythos? Do you have favorite James Bond villains? Collage images above from Spy Vibe's DIABOLIKAL image archive on Pinterest here.
One thing I realized- I love a villain who has an army of
girl commandos! I always wondered- how does one go about hiring
them!? I love "female army" movies like The Million Eyes of
Sumuru. It was something that attracted me as an adolescent- a fantasy
I guess. That kind of stayed with me over the years- beautiful women
throwing themselves into dangerous situations. That's one of the great
qualities of James Bond and other 1960s spy movies: the dangerous, capable
female. As for favorite Bond villains, it's hard to choose! Every
Bond villain makes or breaks their particular movie, so, the better the
villain, the better the movie. That said, if I had to pick a favorite,
it's hard to top the Donald Pleasance version of Blofeld in You Only Live
Twice. He's like the archetype of the master spy villain.
What do you think makes a good villain?
On one hand there is the villain who was wronged and has
sworn to get revenge. And on the other hand you have the mad megalomaniac
or "genius of crime" who just likes doing nasty things. They
are both fun to write and imagine scenarios for. I have a fondness for
"grotesques"- like Dick Tracy villains or The Joker, though I like
the classic urbane, snooty type as well. Either way, any good villain
should get a speech at some point where he can be raving about all the
"fools" in the world who wronged him or whatever. I could write
those kinds of speeches all day- all I have to do is remember what it was
like to be a lonely adolescent!
Richard, if you were a diabolical mastermind, what
would your secret lair be?
Definitely in some high tower- like UC Berkeley campanile,
which I used in MAD NIGHT as the killer's lair. I like the idea of gazing
down on the city below while plotting twisted schemes.
I attended Pulpfest last summer. I think you would have
enjoyed the amazing collections of books, guest panels, and
nightly screenings of The Spider serial! Do you collect things like pulps,
movie serials, and old movie posters? What are some of your favorite vintage
images?
I envy you! I wish I could get to Pulpfest one
day. In my 20s and 30s I went to a lot of conventions and I really miss
going. One of the things about going from being a serious collector
(which I was) to a working artist/writer, is that there might come a point
where you have to make a choice: Do I buy more books or do I put the money
into my own career? I love pulps, serials, old mysteries, horror movies,
etc so much- but my choice was to be a contributor to that world, rather than
a collector. I know people who are both, and I may be again, one
day. Believe me, I was a very happy collector and I miss that, but I had
to try to tell my own stories and that means having a lot less money than I had
when I was working my day job!
I have too many favorite images- book covers, movie
posters, etc- to single out just a couple, but I will try to find some to
share. Suffice to say, two of my favorite movie posters that I had
hanging in my house for years- House on Haunted Hill and Attack of the Crab
Monsters. I had to sell both of those to support my career. Those were
hard sacrifices to make!
We share a love for the Fantomas and Judex films
[Franju's Judex is coming to the Criterion Collection!]. Did you ever get into
reading the original books, as well?
I've read several of the early original Fantomas books and
loved them. Years ago, you'd have to track down the original English
editions if you wanted to read them (that is, if you couldn't read French), so
I'd find copies at antiquarian book fairs or wherever I could. Now I see
many have been reprinted and are available on Amazon, which is amazing I
need to save up some money to get those!
Most are available as inexpensive eBooks for Kindle, so it's a great time to find that stuff. In one of our past interviews, you talked about
your process and how you enjoy adding fun elements to stories (like
secret passages, trap doors, and eccentric meeting places). Without
revealing too much too soon, what can say about your process making
Super-Enigmatix?
At this point in my "career" I've included so many
trap doors, secret societies, master criminals and eccentric locations that it
becomes a process of elimination! Like- how many times can I include
wax museums or hidden tunnels!? But that's part of the fun. I love
the formula. When I'd read a Shadow or Spider pulp or watch an old
serial, I'd be disappointed if they DIDN'T include those kinds of things! It's just become a part of what I do now. So I can have fun just tossing
off references to, for example, a weapon called "The Dissolver" which
basically just melts flesh off people!
Are you creating the story as you go, or do you work from
a completed script or mockup? Style-wise, I notice you are using both
color and b&w panels.
When I write any story, I know the beginning and I have a
good idea of the end, but I allow myself room to improvise as I go along in the
middle. Sometime better ideas occur to you as you are in the middle of
doing the thing and it would be crazy to then stick to an outline if you didn't
have to.
Super-Enigmatix is listed on-line to be a book called
In a Glass Grotsquely coming next fall from Fantagraphics. Is that title a
play on one of my favorite Ingmar Bergman films? Do you watch Bergman?
Yes, that does happen to be one of my favorite Bergman films. And
"Through The Past Darkly" is one of my favorite Rolling Stones
records, since I bought that LP version as a kid. But- yeah- it's a
play on that phrase, although slightly removed. It's referenced in the
story- it refers to a powerful hallucinogenic drug! But, like a lot of
things in my books, it can be a double meaning or one that is open to
interpretation.
I love so many aspects of your work, but your
talent for creating strong female characters really stands out for me. I guess
I relate to it, as I also work with female characters (Like MIKI ZERO in my
upcoming spy novel). I'd say my influence is growing up with Emma Peel as
a hero and being raised largely by women. Why do you think you
gravitate toward strong independent ladies?
This may go back to watching The Avengers for me, too,
as a kid. I never understood the tendency that a lot of action films had
for not including women. Growing up, watching action movies, most would
only have one (!) women in them. The exceptions were spy movies, as you
know! They always had a lot of women in various kinds or roles, and I
liked that for some reason. That was my personal preference. Spy
movies are loaded with colorful women and I prefer that over other action
movies or (say) film noir movies with their single femme fatale (who may have a
single "good girl" to balance her out). I want to live in a
world that has more than two women in it!
I know you loved Mrs. Peel, too- you shared those
great photos on Spy Vibe that you received from Patrick Macnee and Diana Rigg
as a kid. What are your impressions of female characters like Honey
West, Modesty Blaise, Fathom, Barbarella, and the Deadlier Than the Male movie?
I love them all! But, then, I am a child of the
1960s. I watched The Man From Uncle and The Avengers and Batman when they
first aired. I love camp and black humor. I'm not of the "grim
and gritty" generation. I can appreciate it, of course, but I prefer
sexy silliness and a sense of the fantastic to a glowering hero glumly breaking
some guy's neck in a random post-apocalyptic junkyard.
Agreed! I was chatting with Trina Robbins this week about Honey
West, Miss Fury, and Wonder Woman (we both contributed to a recent WW
documentary, starring Gloria Steinem, Lynda Carter, and Trina). Do you
ever find inspiration in mainstream comics like Wonder Woman or Batman? Did you
collect DC or Marvel titles as a kid?
I like the golden age Wonder Woman and the sillier
incarnations of Batman- not very popular to admit these days, I guess. I really have no interest in the "deadly serious" versions of those
characters. I do remember buying those issue of Wonder Woman in which she
went through a kind of Emma Peel incarnation in the 1960s and I liked
those. But that didn't seem to last long. I guess that died out
with our beloved "spy craze."
I prefer the Adam West Batman, as well. The cast did such a great job playing it straight- and for laughs- not an easy balance. Do you have an interest in Golden Age material like
Miss Fury, Phantom Lady, or the Pulps?
Absolutely! I read a lot of old Miss Fury
reprints before I did my book Cat Burglar Black because there are a
lot of depictions of this lithe female cat burglar climbing up ropes, slipping
in windows and hopping over fences. All very inspiring for my book!
We've talked in the past about Dick Tracy and Gould's
brilliant use of macabre baddies. But I also wonder about your experiences
with the horror boom of the early 1960s. It was the era of Universal monsters
being rereleased, monster model kits, Addams Family, the Munsters, Odd
Rods monster cars, etc. What did that stuff mean to you growing up?
I loved all of that. Monster movies and stuff like Mars
Attacks cards and the Outer Limits on TV- that stuff was the epitome of pop
culture cool in the 1960s. There was a sense of humor or campiness about
them, but it was very affectionate. Famous Monsters magazine was like a
gateway drug for kids, then if you were serious about that stuff you moved on
to Castle of Frankenstein or reading books about Hitchcock and Horror
movies. I have photos from my childhood where I made my brother and
sister pose with my monster models or magazines or masks. I loved that
stuff so much.
I want to see those photos sometime! I got a chance to talk with Norman Saunders' son at
Pulpfest about his dad's paintings for the 1960s Batman trading cards. He also
did cards for Wacky Packages, monsters, Mars Attacks, etc. I wonder if you
collected these cards as a kid or if you were ever inspired by this style of
art?
Norman Saunders is an artist I first became aware of
as a little kid, thanks to his work for Topps. Long before I knew his
name, I could recognize his style instantly. The first time I ever glimpsed
Mars Attacks Cards, in my second grade classroom, I couldn't believe what I was
seeing. Of all the artists on sets- Mars Attacks, Civil War News, Battle- his had the most weight. They were the most lurid, the most sexy. He
elevated the form far beyond what it called for. I am so grateful for his
work! He had such a skill for realism and yet there seemed to be a sense
of humor or the absurd about his depictions of grisly impalements or piles of
bodies. My mom saw some of the bloody Civil War cards he did and
threw away my whole set! That was very traumatic! Thanks goodness
she never found my Mars Attacks cards! [Saunders also painted amazing Batman cards with a macabre sense of danger!].
Collecting cards for kids of the
1960s was as important as collecting comics, buying monster magazines, building
models, watching Man From UNCLE, or getting the new Beatles
records. Pirates Bold, You'll Die Laughing (with Jack Davis art ), Spook
Stories and The Outer Limits cards were huge influences on me. In fact, I
had planned to do SUPER-ENIGMATIX for years as a tribute to Mars Attacks cards
(I hate the movie by the way- sorry!- but it feels like Tim Burton is
methodically going through my 1960s childhood and destroying everything that
meant something to me by making it dull and and uncool!)- that is, I'd have
an image of SUPER-ENIGMATIX doing something evil and on the "flip
side" there would be a little description of that action. A bit of
that actually remains in the story as it is now.
Maybe you can produce a set using images from the book. I'd sure love to see cards! There are so many cool old strips and comics
being collected into anthologies. Are there titles that you love that
haven't been collected yet?
I'm looking forward to the later Dick Tracy strips
FINALLY being collected (if they ever actually are!). I love the 1960s
era of Dick Tracy, where they completely went off the rails with crazy violence
and science fiction. When I was a kid, I used to clip out comic strips I
liked and one was called Sandy about this kid who had
adventures. I even wrote to the cartoonist, Jim Unwin, and he sent me a
signed drawing. But I appear to be the only person who ever collected
that, because I can't find any other reference to it even existing! So, there's always more stuff out there waiting to be found!
On page 4 and 5 of Super-Enimatix, we meet a young
fellow in glasses named George. Is he a reoccurring character from
Peculia?
Yes. That's the same character who was in
PECULIA AND THE GROON GROVE VAMPIRES. Any long time (and
long-suffering!) readers of my work know that I often refer to characters or
places from the "universe" (Sala-verse?) of all my books.
I haven't really made the transition into digital comics
yet (except to read Golden Age stuff), so I've missed your recent project
Violenzia. Tell us about the story and characters. Will this be available in
book form someday?
That was an experiment- and I am a bit sad that a lot of
my readers can't read it, because I actually pretty fond of it. For years
I've been hit over the head with "print is dead", so I pitched a
digital-only comic to my publisher as an experiment. I'd made that kind
of leap of faith before when I was approached to do the animated Invisible
Hands for MTV. Back then, the late 1980s- I didn't have cable TV and
wasn't particularly even interested in animation- but I did it because they
actually let me do my own crazy pulp-inspired story. It was fun. So, you take chances like that sometimes. Time will tell if it was a dumb
idea or not. With INVISIBLE HANDS- that disappeared for YEARS and seemed
forgotten. Then it reappeared when the internet came along and people
started posting it, and I hear about it from fans all the time now. You
just never know.
The angular background on the cover reminds me of the
expressionist-style settings in your other books. Are you a fan of Caligari and
Fritz Lang films? I finally saw Ministry of Fear recently- great!
Yes! It's fantastic that a movie like SPIES, which was
hard to see for years, is now so easy to find and watch. And Ministry of
Fear is a personal favorite. It's a nice companion to Journey Into Fear- the Orson Welles move from a year earlier. They make a fun, paranoid
double bill!
Lang's Spies is one of my all-time favorites. I'm hoping we see it on Blu-ray sometime soon. Speaking of Blu-ray, Spy Vibers should really pick up Judex from the Criterion Collection later this month. Richard, thank you again for joining us on Spy Vibe to talk about your projects! Our beloved genre is filled with so many cool elements and I think you are doing a lot to keep it alive in the culture. I can't wait to see what lurks from your imagination next! Readers, here are just a few more reasons you need to be reading Richard Sala. You can also read my feature 2009 interview with Sala here, where we chat about The Avengers, 60s spies, and much more!
